Doug Rosenber-UML统一对象建模以及XP存在的问题-UMLChina讲座-音频和幻灯

时间

2005年7月21日（周四）上午10:00-12:00

演讲人

Doug Rosenberg（http://www.iconixsw.com/）。方法学家和顾问。他提出的的ICONIX过程是一种轻量的用例驱动面向对象方法。另外，他还以质疑XP著称。

主持人

Sicilia

声音记录

网盘下载(76M)：https://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=73610&uk=1795750932

UMLChina早期的很多国外专家讲座是通过越洋电话举行，所以音质和后来的讲座相比稍差。

幻灯片

Unified Object Modeling with UML，Problems with eXtreme Programming，下载：http://umlchina.com/chat/dougslide.zip

聊天记录

(09:46:56)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:请大家下载ppt，http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/dougnews.htm

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(09:47:33)*umlchina2与所有人说:ppt下载：http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/dougnews.htm

(09:48:30)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:快开始了吗？视频开了吗？

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(09:51:12)*doubleye与所有人说:大家相互介绍一下，如何？

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(09:53:04)*umlchina2与所有人说:先讲XP,Q&A，然后讲Unified Object Modeling with UML,再是Q&A.请大家准备好问题，如果想口头提问的请向我要麦克风。

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(09:53:46)begincsdn_495与所有人说:是用E文提问还是？

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(09:53:58)*umlchina2与所有人说:需要用英语提问

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(09:54:13)*doubleye与所有人说:发送到聊天室吗？

(09:54:23)*umlchina2与所有人说:如果有困难请打字提问好了

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(09:54:36)begincsdn_495与所有人说:OK

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(09:55:18)liynnz与所有人说:现在有声音吗

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(09:55:56)*doubleye与所有人说:有音乐

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(09:57:10)popopanqi与所有人说:什么时候开视频,测试一下?

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(09:58:13)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:怎么音乐也是断断续续的吗？

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(09:58:45)liynnz与*umlchina2说:视频怎么才能看到？

(09:59:19)begincsdn_495与所有人说:开始了吗？

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(10:00:25)aaroncool与所有人说:现在能听到吗？

(10:00:34)begincsdn_495与所有人说:断断续续

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(10:00:38)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:好象只有杂音

(10:00:39)sumj与所有人说:ppt怎么没有

(10:00:39)begincsdn_495与所有人说:效果太差

(10:00:46)chinaclub88与所有人说:现在没有音乐了

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(10:01:04)*doubleye与所有人说:我听到了

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(10:01:37)liynnz与所有人说:我也听到了

(10:01:43)asgaogao与所有人说:听到了

(10:01:47)asgaogao与所有人说:不是特别清楚

(10:01:56)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:断了

(10:01:58)popopanqi与所有人说:效果不是很好

(10:02:10)sumj与所有人说:ok

(10:02:20)charlie_cai与所有人说:ok

(10:02:33)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:是延时吗？

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(10:03:50)aaroncool与所有人说:大家都能听到吗？我这里听不到

(10:04:38)fdx_xia与所有人说:听不到

(10:05:10)sunshineormer与所有人说:第几页了？

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(10:05:39)asgaogao与所有人说:我也想知道第几页了

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(10:06:18)*umlchina2与asgaogao说:Page 2.

(10:06:23)macser与所有人说:大家好，刚开始么？

(10:06:27)asgaogao与所有人说:谢谢

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(10:06:51)rallyman与所有人说:33

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(10:07:50)aaroncool与所有人说:没有视频吗

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(10:10:13)hunterdeane与所有人说:yes, I will try to telephone him.

(10:10:55)aaroncool与所有人说:第几页了？

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(10:11:48)charlie_cai与所有人说:??

(10:11:49)hunterdeane与所有人说:OK, he didn't answer his phone.

(10:12:05)hunterdeane与所有人说:Should I be hearing anything, now?

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(10:12:27)begincsdn_495与所有人说:?

(10:12:46)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:It should be noise around

(10:12:48)lhwdj与所有人说:only noise?

(10:13:05)*doubleye与所有人说:yes, no word, onl noise.

(10:13:22)aaroncool与所有人说:which page?

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(10:14:14)lhwdj与所有人说:4

(10:14:15)rallyman与所有人说:??

(10:14:17)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:pp

(10:14:21)纸马与所有人说:hi

(10:14:52)纸马与所有人说:hello

(10:15:38)纸马与所有人说:没有声音?

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(10:15:57)macser_929与所有人说:大家好，怎么什么声音都没有？

(10:15:59)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:幻灯下载：http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/dougnews.htm

(10:16:26)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:语音没有请手工安装插件：http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe

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(10:19:08)liynnz与所有人说:网络不好？

(10:19:20)fireflyxml与所有人说:老师好

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(10:20:15)*doubleye与所有人说:i have a question.

(10:20:17)fireflyxml与所有人说:可惜我这里没有耳机

(10:20:30)sunshineormer与所有人说:cont.

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(10:20:55)rallyman与所有人说:who is talking to teacher?a female?

(10:21:28)amosshi_403与所有人说:is the teacher here ? Thank you.

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(10:30:58)*doubleye与所有人说:ok.

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(10:31:36)macser与所有人说:大家好，怎么听不到声音

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(10:33:11)*umlchina_seminar enter this room.

(10:33:52)*umlchina2与所有人说:XP Slides讲完会有Q&A，大家如果想口头提问请提前在我这里要麦克风。

(10:34:07)*lijin_as与所有人说:which page now?

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(10:34:17)*梦见大海 enter this room.

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(10:34:34)*umlchina2与所有人说:Pg9

(10:36:37)*doubleye与所有人说:p。11

(10:36:45)小新 enter this room.

(10:36:57)*umlchina2与所有人说:讲座内容安排：XP Slides，Q&A；然后讲Unified Object Modeling with UML,再Q&A

(10:38:52)*doubleye与所有人说:我不能听到提问者的声音

(10:39:12)begincsdn_495与所有人说:yes, me too.

(10:40:04)*umlchina2与所有人说:Please questions！

(10:40:23)*doubleye与所有人说:i start, but no answer

(10:40:59)dougrosenberg与所有人说:were you able to understand me?

(10:41:00)阿森 enter this room.

(10:41:07)*umlchina2与所有人说:请大家有关XP有什么问题现在可以问了

(10:41:14)*doubleye与所有人说:a little

(10:41:16)hunterdeane与所有人说:most of the time

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(10:41:32)phoenixwuan与所有人说:I'm trying to experiment XP in my work, for a small project. What suggestions would you give me?

(10:42:17)*umlchina2与所有人说:如果想口头提问请大家问我要麦克风

(10:42:56)hunterdeane与所有人说:When I see sunshineormer is speaking, I don't hear anything

(10:43:18)*doubleye与所有人说:Would you like to tell me something about your experince of XP. Do you practise it?

(10:44:07)phoenixwuan与所有人说:I've learnt how important the written document is, but I just don't know how much it should be?

(10:44:32)sunshineormer与所有人说:典型的诬蔑，我又没有抢话筒。

(10:45:01)*ericcaigm与所有人说:What do you think the function of refactor in software development?

(10:46:52)*doubleye与所有人说:Someone said that writing source code is just do designing, do you agree?

(10:47:55)hunterdeane与所有人说:Doug Rosenberg: Please stay close to your microphone. Thank you.

(10:48:18)*doubleye与所有人说:The idea was reported on C++ Report of USA.

(10:49:05)lhwdj与所有人说:Do you think XP is just opposite to UML?

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(10:49:49)lhwdj与所有人说:not UML, United Process, I mean

(10:50:53)*doubleye与所有人说:Compare XP with your ICONIX, pls.

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(10:53:24)*doubleye与所有人说:thanks.

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(10:55:20)*doubleye与所有人说:i said to Rosenberg, but no answer. Maybe the net doesn't work well.

(10:57:34)*doubleye与*umlchina2说:i found my name on the voice label, so i said.

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(10:58:16)*umlchina2与所有人说:I am holding the microphone unfortunately.

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(10:59:00)*umlchina2与所有人说:大家要提问发言必须要问我要麦克风才行的

(10:59:06)*doubleye与*umlchina2说:hehe, thank you.

(10:59:12)begincsdn_495与所有人说:how to do with business rule,goal and model in iconix UP?

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(11:01:16)知性男与所有人说:what is UML?

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(11:01:54)知性男与所有人说:who know it?

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(11:02:44)知性男与所有人说:UMLChina what is it mean?

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(11:04:10)纸马与所有人说:Unified Modelling Language.

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(11:06:06)系统：婉玲被管理员*umlchina2踢出聊天室了。

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(11:14:04)f与所有人说:waiting....

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(11:25:32)zyf_958 白了婉玲一眼，说：“无聊不无聊啊？”

(11:25:46)zyf_958揉了揉双眼，打了个呵欠, 好困呀……

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(11:27:37)f与所有人说:where?

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(11:27:43)f与所有人说:the expert where?

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(11:28:32)f与所有人说:when will start...

(11:30:11)*umlchina2与所有人说:大家请提问

(11:30:11)f与所有人说:but cannot listen anything...

(11:31:06)dougrosenberg与所有人说:did you understand what i was saying? please ask questions

(11:32:17)*umlchina2与所有人说:专家的昵称是 dougrosenberg

(11:33:13)dougrosenberg与所有人说:i hope i haven't confused everyone...

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(11:36:08)*ericcaigm与dougrosenberg说:can you talk about how to close the gap between analysis and design clearly?

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(11:41:07)lhwdj与所有人说:which page are you reading?

(11:42:34)dougrosenberg与所有人说:http://www.iconixsw.com

(11:42:56)dougrosenberg与所有人说:multimedia training on CD-ROMs

(11:43:12)dougrosenberg与所有人说:onsite "JumpStart" training

(11:43:54)dougrosenberg与所有人说:[email protected]

(11:44:31)dougrosenberg与所有人说:THANK YOU

(11:46:47)*umlchina2与所有人说:讲座结束了。大家可以如果还有问题请email联系Doug )

(11:47:16)lhwdj与所有人说:大家都能听懂不？我不能

(11:48:50)*umlchina2与dougrosenberg说:Thank you very much! )

(11:48:57)*TangLin@SH与所有人说:thanks you

(11:49:45)phoenixwuan_168与所有人说:俺对统一过程不很了解