时间
2007年3月1日（周四）上午10:00-12:00
演讲人
Joshua Kerievsky，资深软件设计专家，Industrial Logic的创始人，极限编程（XP）先锋之一。
声音记录
网盘下载(90M)>>
http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=73683&uk=1795750932
UMLChina早期的很多国外专家讲座是通过越洋电话举行，所以音质和后来的讲座相比稍差。
幻灯片
Refactoring to Patterns，下载>>
http://www.umlchina.com/chat/slide/RtP.ppt
聊天记录
(2007.03.01)(09:58:16)Joshua enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(09:58:20)11_261与所有人说:还是没有声音。。。
(2007.03.01)(09:58:25)B2♂Pencil与所有人说:小柱子喘气，哈哈
(2007.03.01)(09:58:26)edge enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(09:58:30)诗人笑与所有人说:。。。。。。
(2007.03.01)(09:58:30)碧空天与所有人说:没有声音
(2007.03.01)(09:58:37)*工业化人与所有人说:喘气声没听到吗
(2007.03.01)(09:58:38)jdskyy与所有人说:呼呼呼
(2007.03.01)(09:58:56)lakedai与所有人说:这次讲座怎么没有幻灯？
(2007.03.01)(09:58:59)*Jerryhjf与所有人说:及时进来了
(2007.03.01)(09:59:01)iceboat与所有人说:
(2007.03.01)(09:59:03)*工业化人与所有人说:http://webseminar.unix105.cn4e.com/webseminar/RtP.ppt
(2007.03.01)(09:59:16)炊烟几许 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(09:59:34)lakedai与所有人说:谢谢2位，正下载
(2007.03.01)(10:00:10)baberson与所有人说:hello
(2007.03.01)(10:00:20)lakedai与所有人说:好了^_^
(2007.03.01)(10:00:46)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:ertt
(2007.03.01)(10:00:54)*Jerryhjf与所有人说:没有声音
(2007.03.01)(10:01:13)umlkb24与所有人说:没有声音
(2007.03.01)(10:01:20)11_480 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:01:23)*工业化人与所有人说:有
(2007.03.01)(10:01:32)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:can you hear
(2007.03.01)(10:01:36)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:01:37)炊烟几许与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:01:41)*Jerryhjf与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:01:44)诗人笑与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:01:44)umlkb24与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:01:49)kkk enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:01:50)*工业化人与所有人说:YES
(2007.03.01)(10:01:52)umlkb24与所有人说:ok了
(2007.03.01)(10:01:54)Joshua与所有人说:Hello World!
(2007.03.01)(10:01:57)lakedai与marsjin说:我这里正常
(2007.03.01)(10:01:59)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:小柱子请关麦克
(2007.03.01)(10:01:59)*工业化人与所有人说:有声音
(2007.03.01)(10:02:14)Joshua与所有人说:System.out.println("Hello World!");
(2007.03.01)(10:02:26)*umlchina_seminar enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:02:41)robert1234567 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:02:48)kkk enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:02:57)Joshua与所有人说:Code that uses too many patterns!
(2007.03.01)(10:03:07)*Jerryhjf与所有人说:只有沙沙声
(2007.03.01)(10:03:12)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:flychen请关麦克
(2007.03.01)(10:03:28)lion heart与所有人说:有视频吗?
(2007.03.01)(10:03:37)kkk enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:03:38)*Jerryhjf enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:03:39)*工业化人与所有人说:flychen请关麦克
(2007.03.01)(10:03:55)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:03:57)jdskyy与所有人说:flychen 关麦
(2007.03.01)(10:03:58)baberson与所有人说:点击右边的小话筒关闭.
(2007.03.01)(10:04:09)tangyeyang与所有人说:222
(2007.03.01)(10:04:21)诗人笑与所有人说:kick
(2007.03.01)(10:04:26)lion heart与所有人说:有视频吗?
(2007.03.01)(10:04:28)kkk enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:04:29)*工业化人与所有人说:flychen请关麦克 谢谢
(2007.03.01)(10:04:35)umlkb24与所有人说:kick
(2007.03.01)(10:04:43)jdskyy与所有人说:flychen getout
(2007.03.01)(10:04:50)tangyeyang与所有人说:怎么还没关...
(2007.03.01)(10:04:51)umlchina_semina_691 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:04:53)lakedai与marsjin说:怎么回事
(2007.03.01)(10:04:55)test03与所有人说:还没有开始吗？
(2007.03.01)(10:05:13)lysming enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:05:15)炊烟几许与所有人说:节约时间,该踢就踢
(2007.03.01)(10:05:17)marsjin与所有人说:有点乱
(2007.03.01)(10:05:33)baberson与所有人说:开始了.但有些同学的麦没关...
(2007.03.01)(10:05:34)ken enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:05:35)iceboat与所有人说:快点!
(2007.03.01)(10:05:39)gll76与ll说:我关了
(2007.03.01)(10:05:44)iceboat与所有人说:上班时间
(2007.03.01)(10:05:45)*工业化人与所有人说:开始了
(2007.03.01)(10:05:48)gll76与所有人说:我关了
(2007.03.01)(10:05:50)flyingchen与所有人说:我关了吗？sorry
(2007.03.01)(10:06:05)sunmm_miss enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:06:11)小柱子与*umlchina2说:我关了吧？
(2007.03.01)(10:06:22)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:请大家关麦
(2007.03.01)(10:06:23)iceboat与所有人说:continue
(2007.03.01)(10:06:23)kkk enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:06:39)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:我的管理页面突然打不开
(2007.03.01)(10:06:50)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:所以麻烦大家配合一下
(2007.03.01)(10:07:05)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:请大家关麦
(2007.03.01)(10:07:09)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:我的管理页面突然打不开
(2007.03.01)(10:07:09)小柱子与*umlchina2说:全双工上面的小话筒可以点击的，点击后为红色叉
(2007.03.01)(10:07:14)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:所以麻烦大家配合一下
(2007.03.01)(10:07:15)小柱子与所有人说:全双工上面的小话筒可以点击的，点击后为红色叉
(2007.03.01)(10:07:32)*工业化人与所有人说:。。。。。。。
(2007.03.01)(10:07:57)*legming与所有人说:全双工上面的小话筒可以点击的，点击后为红色叉
(2007.03.01)(10:08:08)*legming与所有人说:全双工上面的小话筒可以点击的，点击后为红色叉!
(2007.03.01)(10:08:11)test03与所有人说:没有翻译吗
(2007.03.01)(10:08:16)*legming与所有人说:全双工上面的小话筒可以点击的，点击后为红色叉!!
(2007.03.01)(10:08:35)小柱子与所有人说:请大家先关闭语音一下吧，1分钟后打开
(2007.03.01)(10:08:37)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:Zhang Songwei: are the
(2007.03.01)(10:08:55)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:design patterns in this seminar different from those in the book of
(2007.03.01)(10:08:59)*cisumer enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:09:13)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:GOF in 1994 in content? Any new updates?
(2007.03.01)(10:09:20)yyj enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:10:23)marsjin与所有人说:sound OK ?
(2007.03.01)(10:10:28)*工业化人与所有人说:OK
(2007.03.01)(10:10:31)炊烟几许与所有人说:nothing
(2007.03.01)(10:10:32)iceboat与所有人说:OK
(2007.03.01)(10:10:37)lysming与所有人说:no voice
(2007.03.01)(10:10:40)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:麻烦大家把右下角的麦克关掉，谢谢
(2007.03.01)(10:10:42)炊烟几许与所有人说:I can't hear
(2007.03.01)(10:10:43)碧空天 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:10:51)yyjlinux enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:10:55)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:听不见声音请手工安装http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe，讲座室帮助：http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/cn_guide.htm
(2007.03.01)(10:10:57)marsjin与所有人说:sound is OK
(2007.03.01)(10:11:01)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:Zhang Songwei: are th
(2007.03.01)(10:11:08)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:design patterns in this seminar different from those in the book of
(2007.03.01)(10:11:13)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:GOF in 1994 in content? Any new updates?
(2007.03.01)(10:11:36)lysming enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:11:51)sunmm_miss enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:12:06)Joshua与所有人说:same patterns, some new ones
(2007.03.01)(10:12:11)lysming enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:12:29)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:Hankai: your book talks about how to refactor from pattern a to
(2007.03.01)(10:12:43)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:pattern b. But since I often begin my work with a batch of structurely
(2007.03.01)(10:12:44)Joshua与所有人说:yes, we are about to get to that part
(2007.03.01)(10:12:55)Joshua与所有人说:refactoring to patterns
(2007.03.01)(10:12:57)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:mixed up but workable codes, how I can write the testing for them?
(2007.03.01)(10:13:25)Joshua与所有人说:yes, this is a very common problem
(2007.03.01)(10:13:40)Joshua与所有人说:so the question is
(2007.03.01)(10:13:43)yyjlinux enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:13:46)Joshua与所有人说:do we refactor before or after writing test code?
(2007.03.01)(10:13:47)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:Jia Zongrui: in what cases that design patterns & refactoring could be used?
(2007.03.01)(10:14:00)Joshua与所有人说:in my opinion
(2007.03.01)(10:14:01)世上有双 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:14:06)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:大家有问题请随时提问
(2007.03.01)(10:14:14)Joshua与所有人说:writing tests is more important than refactoring or patterns!!
(2007.03.01)(10:14:28)Joshua与所有人说:writing tests is a core part of what we programmers do
(2007.03.01)(10:14:29)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:Jia Zongrui: in what cases that design patterns & refactoring could be used?
(2007.03.01)(10:14:44)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:Jia Zongrui: in what cases that design patterns & refactoring could be used? 1
(2007.03.01)(10:14:46)Joshua与所有人说:Jia -- to refactor , we must begin with tests
(2007.03.01)(10:14:55)Joshua与所有人说:so for legacy code
(2007.03.01)(10:15:02)sunmm_miss与所有人说:sound unavailable
(2007.03.01)(10:15:03)Joshua与所有人说:code that is working but not well designed
(2007.03.01)(10:15:13)Joshua与所有人说:we must write test code
(2007.03.01)(10:15:20)umlchina_semina_320 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:15:23)Joshua与所有人说:how do we do that?
(2007.03.01)(10:15:32)Joshua与所有人说:we look at what the code does
(2007.03.01)(10:15:39)炊烟几许_339 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:15:41)Joshua与所有人说:and we write small (micro) tests for it
(2007.03.01)(10:15:48)Joshua与所有人说:or
(2007.03.01)(10:15:59)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:大家听得见声音吗
(2007.03.01)(10:16:04)marsjin与所有人说:thanks
(2007.03.01)(10:16:05)lamono与所有人说:what's wrong ?
(2007.03.01)(10:16:05)Joshua与所有人说:we write large tests -- at the User Interface level
(2007.03.01)(10:16:06)*放下舍得与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:16:08)*工业化人与所有人说:NO
(2007.03.01)(10:16:08)marsjin与所有人说:no sound
(2007.03.01)(10:16:09)*Jerryhjf与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:16:10)碧空天与所有人说:听不见
(2007.03.01)(10:16:11)ww enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:16:12)arwin与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:16:17)baberson与所有人说:i can't get the sound now
(2007.03.01)(10:16:20)*工业化人与所有人说:no sound
(2007.03.01)(10:16:20)iceboat与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:16:27)mani与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:16:29)zengwei enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:16:50)mani enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:16:55)sunmm_miss enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:16:57)碧空天与所有人说:ok
(2007.03.01)(10:17:02)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:OK
(2007.03.01)(10:17:03)zengwei_423 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:17:04)baberson与所有人说:ok.
(2007.03.01)(10:17:08)arwin与所有人说:ok
(2007.03.01)(10:17:12)lakedai与所有人说:OK
(2007.03.01)(10:17:17)marsjin与所有人说:断续
(2007.03.01)(10:17:22)*工业化人与所有人说:hehe
(2007.03.01)(10:17:32)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:大家有问题随时提
(2007.03.01)(10:17:52)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:a kind of food?
(2007.03.01)(10:17:59)*cisumer enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:18:02)baberson与所有人说:鱼香匣子
(2007.03.01)(10:18:04)tangyeyang与所有人说:鱼香茄子
(2007.03.01)(10:18:07)flyingchen与所有人说:哈哈
(2007.03.01)(10:18:11)*工业化人与所有人说:...
(2007.03.01)(10:18:14)Joshua与所有人说:eggplant with fish sauce
(2007.03.01)(10:18:17)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:I got it
(2007.03.01)(10:18:18)iceboat与所有人说:鱼香茄子
(2007.03.01)(10:18:24)yyj enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:18:26)marsjin与所有人说:能否说明一下，模式的实际应用方面的
(2007.03.01)(10:19:24)炊烟几许与炊烟几许说:刚刚能听到，现在已经长时间没有声音了
(2007.03.01)(10:19:36)Joshua与所有人说:Working Effectively With Legacy Code, by Michael Feathers
(2007.03.01)(10:19:57)Joshua与所有人说:assume that tests exist
(2007.03.01)(10:20:21)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:that's
(2007.03.01)(10:20:22)marsjin与所有人说:请问，对于不同语言的设计模式有什么区别？
(2007.03.01)(10:20:28)isaachan与所有人说:Could Kerievsky talk about more how to control the unit test granularity?
(2007.03.01)(10:20:39)isaachan与所有人说:If I write coarse grain unit test, I always worry about some details go wrong.
(2007.03.01)(10:20:40)Joshua与所有人说:sure
(2007.03.01)(10:20:46)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:that's great, speaking with typing
(2007.03.01)(10:21:04)Joshua与所有人说:5 lines of code
(2007.03.01)(10:21:15)ww_675 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:21:22)sunmm_miss与所有人说:请问怎么听不到声音？
(2007.03.01)(10:21:35)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:听不见声音请手工安装http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe，讲座室帮助：http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/cn_guide.htm
(2007.03.01)(10:21:41)Joshua与所有人说:microtests (a.k.a. Unit Tests)
(2007.03.01)(10:21:52)Joshua与所有人说:test a small piece of functionality
(2007.03.01)(10:21:55)Joshua与所有人说:micro means small
(2007.03.01)(10:22:45)Joshua与所有人说:Say we have a List class
(2007.03.01)(10:22:53)Joshua与所有人说:List.add
(2007.03.01)(10:23:14)Joshua与所有人说:if we test List.add
(2007.03.01)(10:23:19)Joshua与所有人说:we can write many tests for it
(2007.03.01)(10:23:21)Joshua与所有人说:microtests
(2007.03.01)(10:23:28)Joshua与所有人说:testAddGrowsCapacity
(2007.03.01)(10:23:38)Joshua与所有人说:testAddAllowsDuplicates
(2007.03.01)(10:24:01)Joshua与所有人说:testAddAtCapacity
(2007.03.01)(10:24:05)Joshua与所有人说:and do on
(2007.03.01)(10:24:15)Joshua与所有人说:List.add
(2007.03.01)(10:24:33)*工业化人与所有人说:???
(2007.03.01)(10:24:39)baberson与所有人说:yeah.
(2007.03.01)(10:24:45)碧空天与所有人说:yes, go on
(2007.03.01)(10:24:49)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:yeah
(2007.03.01)(10:25:11)iceboat与所有人说:Continue
(2007.03.01)(10:25:14)Joshua与所有人说:A good Writing Is Based Upon Revision
(2007.03.01)(10:25:18)Joshua与所有人说:Revision
(2007.03.01)(10:25:23)Joshua与所有人说:to improve something
(2007.03.01)(10:25:50)zengwei enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:26:05)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:slide number 12
(2007.03.01)(10:26:05)Joshua与所有人说:go to slide # 12
(2007.03.01)(10:26:14)baberson与所有人说:ok.
(2007.03.01)(10:26:34)ll enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:26:49)Joshua与所有人说:the true valuye
(2007.03.01)(10:26:55)Joshua与所有人说:of Refactoring to Patterns, the book
(2007.03.01)(10:27:00)Joshua与所有人说:is about the Thought Process
(2007.03.01)(10:27:08)Joshua与所有人说:that is to say
(2007.03.01)(10:27:14)*工业化人与所有人说:???no sound?
(2007.03.01)(10:27:15)mani与*umlchina2说:where can I get the slide ppt
(2007.03.01)(10:27:15)Joshua与所有人说:When Do We Refactor To A Pattern?
(2007.03.01)(10:27:20)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:robert1234567请关麦
(2007.03.01)(10:27:20)Joshua与所有人说:and
(2007.03.01)(10:27:29)Joshua与所有人说:How DO We Refactor?
(2007.03.01)(10:27:36)robert1234567 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:27:46)*sumanli enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:27:50)碧空天与所有人说:no sound
(2007.03.01)(10:27:53)iceboat与所有人说:???????
(2007.03.01)(10:28:02)Joshua与所有人说:after writing the book
(2007.03.01)(10:28:03)iceboat与所有人说:sound ?/////
(2007.03.01)(10:28:10)Joshua与所有人说:I found new things that I did not know
(2007.03.01)(10:28:13)mani1 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:28:13)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:soond is back
(2007.03.01)(10:28:24)碧空天与所有人说:ok
(2007.03.01)(10:28:24)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:28:25)arwin与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:28:26)lakedai与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:28:26)诗人笑与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:29:13)Joshua与所有人说:Patterns of Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:29:26)umlchina_semina_320与所有人说:麻烦大家把聊天室右下角的麦克都关掉
(2007.03.01)(10:29:41)Joshua与所有人说:Piecemeal Change
(2007.03.01)(10:29:44)*工业化人与所有人说:麻烦大家把聊天室右下角的麦克都关掉
(2007.03.01)(10:29:52)Joshua与所有人说:Patterns of Refactoring: Piecemeal Change
(2007.03.01)(10:29:52)marsjin与所有人说:麻烦大家把聊天室右下角的麦克都关掉
(2007.03.01)(10:30:19)sunmm_miss与umlchina_semina_320说:请问我所有的插件都装了，显示的也和说明文档描述的一样正常，为什么还是听不到声音呢？
(2007.03.01)(10:30:19)B2♂Pencil与所有人说:怎么是我拿的麦?????
(2007.03.01)(10:30:26)ww_675与11说:1
(2007.03.01)(10:30:55)Joshua与所有人说:picture a Looooooon Method
(2007.03.01)(10:31:01)Joshua与所有人说:Long Method
(2007.03.01)(10:31:24)yyj enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:31:25)ww_675与11说:你点 ww-675
(2007.03.01)(10:31:53)Joshua与所有人说:A Long Method is any method that you have to work hard to understand
(2007.03.01)(10:32:19)ww_675与11说:再点私聊 分屏
(2007.03.01)(10:32:22)*umlchina_seminar enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:32:24)tangyeyang enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:32:57)*umlchina_seminar enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:33:29)Joshua与所有人说:beginners at Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:33:33)Joshua与所有人说:often do too much work
(2007.03.01)(10:33:38)Refactoring enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:33:56)marsjin与所有人说:重构
(2007.03.01)(10:33:59)Joshua与所有人说:small step, run the tests
(2007.03.01)(10:34:06)*umlchina2与*umlchina2说:麻烦大家把聊天室右下角的麦克都关掉
(2007.03.01)(10:34:16)lakedai与所有人说:are you mean to do refactoring while coding?
(2007.03.01)(10:34:39)Joshua与所有人说:if you write a sentence
(2007.03.01)(10:34:49)Joshua与所有人说:do you ever refactor your words before sending the sentence?
(2007.03.01)(10:35:01)Joshua与所有人说:I do
(2007.03.01)(10:35:03)baberson与所有人说:me too
(2007.03.01)(10:35:03)ww_675与11说:你点 ww-675
(2007.03.01)(10:35:06)Joshua与所有人说:all the time
(2007.03.01)(10:35:13)Joshua与所有人说:so refactoring is PART of coding
(2007.03.01)(10:35:20)lakedai与所有人说:i do ,but not seem to be a refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:35:25)Joshua与所有人说:we refactor while we code
(2007.03.01)(10:35:46)Joshua与所有人说:What is the definition of Refactoring?
(2007.03.01)(10:35:54)Joshua与所有人说:It is
(2007.03.01)(10:36:08)Joshua与所有人说:Behavior Preserving Transformations
(2007.03.01)(10:36:19)Joshua与所有人说:We preserve behavior and improve design
(2007.03.01)(10:36:35)Joshua与所有人说:so if you change the name of a variable
(2007.03.01)(10:36:39)Joshua与所有人说:it is trivial
(2007.03.01)(10:36:45)Joshua与所有人说:yet that is a tiny refactroing
(2007.03.01)(10:36:51)Joshua与所有人说:refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:37:03)ww_675与11说:我是往往 点 ww-675 再点 私聊 分屏
(2007.03.01)(10:37:03)Joshua与所有人说:does that answer your question?
(2007.03.01)(10:37:14)mmsteam enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:37:15)lakedai与所有人说:thanks. but that seem to be the result of not sufficient design
(2007.03.01)(10:37:19)marsjin与所有人说:我认为重构是模式的进一步升华，是否正确？
(2007.03.01)(10:37:22)Refactoring与所有人说:有问题随时提
(2007.03.01)(10:37:34)Joshua与所有人说:yes, refactoring is something we do
(2007.03.01)(10:37:43)Joshua与所有人说:when we see that our design is not sufficient
(2007.03.01)(10:37:49)ll与所有人说:11
(2007.03.01)(10:38:03)Joshua与所有人说:It is not important to think very very hard
(2007.03.01)(10:38:10)Joshua与所有人说:to come up with a design that is perfect
(2007.03.01)(10:38:18)Joshua与所有人说:so you don't need to refactor
(2007.03.01)(10:38:27)Joshua与所有人说:because no design is perfect
(2007.03.01)(10:38:41)Joshua与所有人说:my first idea for a variable name will not be good
(2007.03.01)(10:38:47)Joshua与所有人说:my 7th idea may be good
(2007.03.01)(10:38:56)Joshua与所有人说:and my colleague's 8th idea may be better
(2007.03.01)(10:39:05)Joshua与所有人说:do you see lakedai?
(2007.03.01)(10:39:22)*工业化人与所有人说:??
(2007.03.01)(10:39:32)lakedai与所有人说:thanks. that is true.
(2007.03.01)(10:39:42)Joshua与所有人说:ok, so Piecemeail Change
(2007.03.01)(10:39:49)Joshua与所有人说:is a very basic Pattern of Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:39:49)*sunmm_miss enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:39:57)ww_675与11说:099来了
(2007.03.01)(10:40:02)Joshua与所有人说:we do all refactoring in small, safe steps
(2007.03.01)(10:40:18)Joshua与所有人说:1 - 2 minutes
(2007.03.01)(10:40:27)Joshua与所有人说:before your tests are running correct
(2007.03.01)(10:40:45)Joshua与所有人说:the next pattern of refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:40:50)Joshua与所有人说:I call it
(2007.03.01)(10:40:52)Joshua与所有人说:Narrowed Change
(2007.03.01)(10:40:57)raineviolet enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:41:05)Joshua与所有人说:who uses Eclipse?
(2007.03.01)(10:41:12)lakedai与所有人说:me
(2007.03.01)(10:41:20)gll76与所有人说:me
(2007.03.01)(10:41:25)Refactoring与所有人说:No, vS2005
(2007.03.01)(10:41:27)碧空天与所有人说:I use .net
(2007.03.01)(10:41:43)Joshua与所有人说:VS2005 -- do you use Resharper?
(2007.03.01)(10:41:44)ww_675与11说:0793怎么半？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
(2007.03.01)(10:41:52)iceboat与所有人说:ME
(2007.03.01)(10:41:55)iceboat与所有人说:c#
(2007.03.01)(10:42:07)Refactoring与所有人说:Resharper , no
(2007.03.01)(10:42:07)Joshua与所有人说:Resharper is for C# and includes tools for Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:42:14)Joshua与所有人说:You MUST use it
(2007.03.01)(10:42:21)Joshua与所有人说:Resharper is an EXCELLENT product
(2007.03.01)(10:42:30)Joshua与所有人说:it gives you the ability to do lots of Refactoring in C#
(2007.03.01)(10:42:39)Joshua与所有人说:I highly recommend that product
(2007.03.01)(10:42:47)碧空天与所有人说:yes,it's very good and easy to use
(2007.03.01)(10:42:58)Joshua与所有人说:when you make an error
(2007.03.01)(10:43:08)Joshua与所有人说:you see little red marks in the scroll bar
(2007.03.01)(10:43:16)Joshua与所有人说:have you seen them?
(2007.03.01)(10:43:21)yyj enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:43:27)碧空天与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:43:38)iceboat与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:43:45)isaachan与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:43:50)诗人笑与所有人说:always
(2007.03.01)(10:44:06)Joshua与所有人说:so what if you change 1 line of code
(2007.03.01)(10:44:13)Joshua与所有人说:and then you see 30 red marks
(2007.03.01)(10:44:24)Joshua与所有人说:I call that
(2007.03.01)(10:44:28)Joshua与所有人说:a Refactoring Rash
(2007.03.01)(10:44:43)Joshua与所有人说:a Rash is when you have little red bumps on your skin
(2007.03.01)(10:44:56)Joshua与所有人说:Refactoring Rash is little red lines in your IDE
(2007.03.01)(10:44:58)iceboat与所有人说:I KNOW
(2007.03.01)(10:45:06)Joshua与所有人说:If you get a Refactoring RASH
(2007.03.01)(10:45:12)Joshua与所有人说:then you took TOO BIG A STEP!!!
(2007.03.01)(10:45:30)Joshua与所有人说:You did something TOO BIG
(2007.03.01)(10:45:42)Joshua与所有人说:and you must a way to Narrow the Change
(2007.03.01)(10:46:00)Joshua与所有人说:Narrow the change
(2007.03.01)(10:46:03)Joshua与所有人说:for example
(2007.03.01)(10:46:05)yyj enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:46:12)Joshua与所有人说:if you have a field in a class
(2007.03.01)(10:46:19)Joshua与所有人说:of type String
(2007.03.01)(10:46:20)11111 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:46:28)Joshua与所有人说:and you want to change the type to be a class
(2007.03.01)(10:46:33)Joshua与所有人说:that you made
(2007.03.01)(10:46:36)Joshua与所有人说:a new class
(2007.03.01)(10:46:46)Joshua与所有人说:if you just change the type
(2007.03.01)(10:46:52)Joshua与所有人说:you may get a refactoring rash
(2007.03.01)(10:47:02)Joshua与所有人说:instead
(2007.03.01)(10:47:09)Joshua与所有人说:you can implement a Narrowed CHange
(2007.03.01)(10:47:11)Joshua与所有人说:how?
(2007.03.01)(10:47:15)Joshua与所有人说:first
(2007.03.01)(10:47:22)Joshua与所有人说:encapsulate the change
(2007.03.01)(10:47:36)Joshua与所有人说:find where the code references the String
(2007.03.01)(10:47:50)Joshua与所有人说:and apply the refactoring Encapsulate Field
(2007.03.01)(10:48:02)Joshua与所有人说:that will make
(2007.03.01)(10:48:08)Joshua与所有人说:a Getter and Setter methid
(2007.03.01)(10:48:10)Joshua与所有人说:method
(2007.03.01)(10:48:29)Joshua与所有人说:then you can try to make the change again from String to your class
(2007.03.01)(10:48:36)Joshua与所有人说:and this time
(2007.03.01)(10:48:42)Joshua与所有人说:you will have a narrower change
(2007.03.01)(10:48:51)Joshua与所有人说:does this make sense to you?
(2007.03.01)(10:48:58)lakedai与所有人说:i see
(2007.03.01)(10:49:01)baberson与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:49:20)asd enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:49:27)Joshua与所有人说:in other words -- do work prior to the change to make the rash very small
(2007.03.01)(10:49:34)Joshua与所有人说:so maybe you see 3-5 red lines
(2007.03.01)(10:49:37)*umlchina_seminar与*umlchina2说:有时没声音就是没有说话
(2007.03.01)(10:49:38)Joshua与所有人说:in your IDE
(2007.03.01)(10:49:42)Joshua与所有人说:not 30!
(2007.03.01)(10:50:02)Joshua与所有人说:Is anyone confused?
(2007.03.01)(10:50:14)Joshua与所有人说:
(2007.03.01)(10:50:23)marsjin与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:50:28)iceboat与所有人说:
(2007.03.01)(10:50:30)Joshua与所有人说:good, ask a question!
(2007.03.01)(10:50:32)flyingchen与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:50:37)Joshua与所有人说:I like questions
(2007.03.01)(10:51:00)tangyeyang与所有人说:are these ideas all in your book?
(2007.03.01)(10:51:14)Joshua与所有人说:these ideas are implicit in my book
(2007.03.01)(10:51:28)Joshua与所有人说:implicit -- there but not explicit
(2007.03.01)(10:51:29)gsailor enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:51:29)iceboat与所有人说:continue
(2007.03.01)(10:51:39)marsjin与所有人说:book？
(2007.03.01)(10:51:44)Joshua与所有人说:you must read the examples very carefully
(2007.03.01)(10:51:48)Joshua与所有人说:to find these ideas
(2007.03.01)(10:51:58)tangyeyang与所有人说:ok
(2007.03.01)(10:52:00)arwin与所有人说:yes please continue
(2007.03.01)(10:52:01)Joshua与所有人说:Narrowed Change
(2007.03.01)(10:52:08)Joshua与所有人说:is from the refactoring in my book
(2007.03.01)(10:52:10)Joshua与所有人说:called
(2007.03.01)(10:52:16)Joshua与所有人说:Replace Type Code with Class
(2007.03.01)(10:52:25)Joshua与所有人说:if you study how I refactor the code
(2007.03.01)(10:52:32)Joshua与所有人说:you will see how it uses a Narrowed Change
(2007.03.01)(10:52:38)Joshua与所有人说:but I never use the words Narrowed Change
(2007.03.01)(10:52:41)gsailor enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:52:42)Joshua与所有人说:that is a new term for me
(2007.03.01)(10:52:58)Joshua与所有人说:so on this chat you are getting the very latest new stuff from Kerievsky!!
(2007.03.01)(10:52:59)wzg enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:53:12)Joshua与所有人说:BTW, I have never been to China
(2007.03.01)(10:53:17)Joshua与所有人说:and would like to come some day
(2007.03.01)(10:53:19)ww_675与11说:0585
(2007.03.01)(10:53:22)诗人笑与所有人说:welcome
(2007.03.01)(10:53:30)hank_xu enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:53:32)iceboat与所有人说:==
(2007.03.01)(10:53:35)marsjin enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:53:46)marsjin enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:53:52)*sunmm_miss与*umlchina_seminar说:不好意思
(2007.03.01)(10:53:58)Joshua与所有人说:Evolved Target
(2007.03.01)(10:54:03)marsjin_643 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:54:07)Joshua与所有人说:this is another Pattern of Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(10:54:16)aaaaa enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:54:19)Joshua与所有人说:Evolve -- means to grow into something
(2007.03.01)(10:54:22)flowerpp enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:54:30)Joshua与所有人说:You know what TArget means?
(2007.03.01)(10:54:33)marsjin与所有人说:What is Narrowed Change ?
(2007.03.01)(10:54:41)Joshua与所有人说:Target -- the place we want to go to
(2007.03.01)(10:54:49)*sunmm_miss与*umlchina_seminar说:我的语音上面显示的发言者都是我自己，所以我听不到语音
(2007.03.01)(10:54:59)Joshua与所有人说:Marsjin -- what do you think Narrowed Change is?
(2007.03.01)(10:55:32)fei545 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:55:33)flowerpp enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:55:35)Refactoring与所有人说:关了再开看看
(2007.03.01)(10:55:36)marsjin与所有人说:I Can't know it
(2007.03.01)(10:56:31)Joshua与所有人说:A narrowed change is a way to make your # of refactorings smaller
(2007.03.01)(10:56:44)Joshua与所有人说:when you need to change the design of something
(2007.03.01)(10:56:51)Joshua与所有人说:you can do some pre-world
(2007.03.01)(10:56:54)Joshua与所有人说:pre-work
(2007.03.01)(10:56:58)Joshua与所有人说:to narrow the change
(2007.03.01)(10:57:01)h enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:57:04)Joshua与所有人说:to a smaller number of change points
(2007.03.01)(10:57:11)Joshua与所有人说:i.e. places to change the code
(2007.03.01)(10:57:33)Joshua与所有人说:does that help?
(2007.03.01)(10:57:51)Joshua与所有人说:in other words
(2007.03.01)(10:57:57)Joshua与所有人说:when you try to refactor
(2007.03.01)(10:58:05)marsjin与所有人说:Parrterns For C#?
(2007.03.01)(10:58:05)Joshua与所有人说:sometimes you break the code too much
(2007.03.01)(10:58:23)wzg enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:58:29)ab enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:58:39)ab enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:58:43)Joshua与所有人说:Narrowed Change is a way to make it easier to change the code
(2007.03.01)(10:58:53)Joshua与所有人说:you can do it in C#, C++, Java, etc.
(2007.03.01)(10:59:01)sunshineormer enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:59:06)ll enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:59:14)ll与所有人说:11
(2007.03.01)(10:59:16)flowerpp与所有人说:yes,JAVA
(2007.03.01)(10:59:19)Joshua与所有人说:Evolved Target is the next topic
(2007.03.01)(10:59:22)wzg enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:59:32)ll与所有人说:1
(2007.03.01)(10:59:34)Joshua与所有人说:Do you all know the Visitor pattern?
(2007.03.01)(10:59:39)lakedai与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(10:59:40)baberson与所有人说:yes.
(2007.03.01)(10:59:48)wzg enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(10:59:51)aaaaa与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(10:59:53)flyingchen与所有人说:y
(2007.03.01)(11:00:15)jesse01 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:00:17)Joshua与所有人说:Slide #24
(2007.03.01)(11:00:29)jesse01 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:00:49)Joshua与所有人说:A method accumulates information from heterogeneous classes
(2007.03.01)(11:00:58)ab enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:01:08)Joshua与所有人说:We can refactor such code
(2007.03.01)(11:01:15)Joshua与所有人说:to use a Visitor pattern
(2007.03.01)(11:01:34)Joshua与所有人说:how do we do such a refactoring?
(2007.03.01)(11:01:40)Joshua与所有人说:in small pieces!
(2007.03.01)(11:01:45)Joshua与所有人说:and we do so
(2007.03.01)(11:01:50)Joshua与所有人说:by Evolving the Target
(2007.03.01)(11:02:32)Hanson enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:03:31)Joshua与所有人说:is that clear to understand?
(2007.03.01)(11:03:44)baberson与所有人说:yeah
(2007.03.01)(11:03:46)K501 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:04:11)Joshua与所有人说:baberson -- how many years have you been programming?
(2007.03.01)(11:04:16)baberson与所有人说:5 years
(2007.03.01)(11:04:19)flyingchen与所有人说:2
(2007.03.01)(11:04:21)arwin与所有人说:almost 2
(2007.03.01)(11:04:24)Joshua与所有人说:and Refactoring -- how many?
(2007.03.01)(11:04:32)flyingchen与所有人说:0.5-
(2007.03.01)(11:04:34)baberson与所有人说:just 1 year
(2007.03.01)(11:04:53)Joshua与所有人说:ok, well I didn't know this stuff after 10 years of programming!
(2007.03.01)(11:05:04)Joshua与所有人说:well, that isn't exactly right
(2007.03.01)(11:05:15)Joshua与所有人说:my point about Evolved Target
(2007.03.01)(11:05:20)K501 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:05:28)Joshua与所有人说:is that sometime you refactor a design
(2007.03.01)(11:05:30)[email protected] enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:05:34)Joshua与所有人说:into a known target
(2007.03.01)(11:05:53)Joshua与所有人说:to make the design look like the target
(2007.03.01)(11:06:00)Joshua与所有人说:you need to make small steps
(2007.03.01)(11:06:14)Joshua与所有人说:small steps is at the heart of what we edo
(2007.03.01)(11:06:36)[email protected] enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:06:39)Joshua与所有人说:let me talk about the Template Method pattern
(2007.03.01)(11:06:43)Joshua与所有人说:who know that one?
(2007.03.01)(11:06:46)baberson与所有人说:i do
(2007.03.01)(11:06:52)tangyeyang与所有人说:what is a know target? a pattern?
(2007.03.01)(11:07:03)Joshua与所有人说:yes, a known target could be a pattern
(2007.03.01)(11:07:06)ab与jesse01说:你说话我都听到了.
(2007.03.01)(11:07:26)Joshua与所有人说:who does not know the Template Method pattern?
(2007.03.01)(11:07:31)Joshua与所有人说:it is ok to not know it
(2007.03.01)(11:07:35)Joshua与所有人说:you will learn it now
(2007.03.01)(11:07:47)诗人笑与所有人说:me
(2007.03.01)(11:07:47)ab与jesse01说:刚才咳嗽我听到了．从耳机里
(2007.03.01)(11:07:54)*wangming66 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:07:58)lc enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:07:59)jesse01与ab说:你是阿波？
(2007.03.01)(11:07:59)java enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:08:07)Joshua与所有人说:say I have a class called Vehicle
(2007.03.01)(11:08:08)ab与jesse01说:是啊
(2007.03.01)(11:08:15)Joshua与所有人说:and a subclass called CAr
(2007.03.01)(11:08:18)Joshua与所有人说:Car
(2007.03.01)(11:08:25)Joshua与所有人说:and a subclass called Bus
(2007.03.01)(11:08:50)Joshua与所有人说:say that Vehicle has a method called Drive
(2007.03.01)(11:08:57)Joshua与所有人说:or drive() in Java
(2007.03.01)(11:09:15)Joshua与所有人说:to drive the car and bus is similar
(2007.03.01)(11:09:21)Joshua与所有人说:but slightly different
(2007.03.01)(11:09:25)Joshua与所有人说:we do this
(2007.03.01)(11:09:31)Joshua与所有人说:startMotor();
(2007.03.01)(11:10:02)Joshua与所有人说:announcementToPassengers();
(2007.03.01)(11:10:21)Joshua与所有人说:we only have announcementToPassengers on a Bus, not a Car
(2007.03.01)(11:10:34)Joshua与所有人说:"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are now going to ShengHai"
(2007.03.01)(11:10:48)isaachan与所有人说:;)
(2007.03.01)(11:10:51)Joshua与所有人说:so part of the drive method
(2007.03.01)(11:11:00)Joshua与所有人说:is specific to the Bus
(2007.03.01)(11:11:17)Joshua与所有人说:pressGas()
(2007.03.01)(11:11:25)Joshua与所有人说:is a method that is the same in Car or Bus
(2007.03.01)(11:11:34)Joshua与所有人说:steer()
(2007.03.01)(11:11:41)Joshua与所有人说:is also in both subclasses
(2007.03.01)(11:12:09)Joshua与所有人说:so the method, drive(), in Car, is 3 lines of code
(2007.03.01)(11:12:22)ab与jesse01说:网络不太好．
(2007.03.01)(11:12:25)Joshua与所有人说:and the drive() method in Bus is 4 lines of code
(2007.03.01)(11:12:36)Joshua与所有人说:now -- 3 of the lines of code are DUPLICATED
(2007.03.01)(11:12:40)Joshua与所有人说:in Car and Bus
(2007.03.01)(11:13:08)Joshua与所有人说:how can we get rid of the Duplication?
(2007.03.01)(11:13:21)lakedai与所有人说:move it to parent class?
(2007.03.01)(11:13:28)Joshua与所有人说:yes, move to parent
(2007.03.01)(11:13:30)Joshua与所有人说:but
(2007.03.01)(11:13:44)Joshua与所有人说:what about the announceToPassengers()
(2007.03.01)(11:13:52)Joshua与所有人说:that is specific to Bus
(2007.03.01)(11:13:56)Joshua与所有人说:and is not on CAr
(2007.03.01)(11:14:00)lakedai与所有人说:use a new method in parent
(2007.03.01)(11:14:13)*flyang2001与所有人说:inherited
(2007.03.01)(11:14:15)Joshua与所有人说:can we have a drive method in Vehicle
(2007.03.01)(11:14:20)111 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:14:23)Joshua与所有人说:that is a Template Method?
(2007.03.01)(11:14:35)Joshua与所有人说:in other words
(2007.03.01)(11:14:38)isaachan与所有人说:to 管理员：稍后有关于敏捷开发的内容么？
(2007.03.01)(11:14:45)Joshua与所有人说:the drive() method Vehicle
(2007.03.01)(11:14:50)Joshua与所有人说:could say
(2007.03.01)(11:15:07)*umlchina_seminar与*umlchina2说:直接问joshua即可
(2007.03.01)(11:15:28)lakedai与所有人说:drive in parent composed of several steps?
(2007.03.01)(11:15:35)Joshua与所有人说:could say do this, do that, do that
(2007.03.01)(11:15:37)Joshua与所有人说:in other words
(2007.03.01)(11:15:44)Joshua与所有人说:do the steps of the algorithm
(2007.03.01)(11:15:58)Joshua与所有人说:and then subclasses decide what to override
(2007.03.01)(11:16:27)Joshua与所有人说:so Template Method removes duplication
(2007.03.01)(11:16:43)Joshua与所有人说:because we put what is unique into subclasses
(2007.03.01)(11:16:50)Joshua与所有人说:and what is common into superclasses
(2007.03.01)(11:17:05)Joshua与所有人说:so if I see code with duplication in subclasses
(2007.03.01)(11:17:14)Joshua与所有人说:I often refactor to Template Method
(2007.03.01)(11:17:29)Joshua与所有人说:I refactor the code to a known Target
(2007.03.01)(11:17:40)Joshua与所有人说:so I am Evolving the code to a Target
(2007.03.01)(11:17:49)Joshua与所有人说:make sense?
(2007.03.01)(11:17:54)lakedai与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(11:18:19)baberson与所有人说:yes.
(2007.03.01)(11:18:25)Joshua与所有人说:Refactoring -- do you have a question?
(2007.03.01)(11:19:36)isaachan与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(11:19:38)Joshua与所有人说:yes, I will talk about Agile Development near the end
(2007.03.01)(11:19:41)Joshua与所有人说:thanks for asking
(2007.03.01)(11:19:51)Joshua与所有人说:please go to slide #22
(2007.03.01)(11:20:02)isaachan与所有人说:Question:Several days ago, I just learned Toyota Lean Production.
(2007.03.01)(11:20:03)诗人笑与所有人说:ok
(2007.03.01)(11:20:16)isaachan与所有人说:My understanding of "lean" to software development is giving more attention to source code.
(2007.03.01)(11:20:26)isaachan与所有人说:How to Kerievsky think so?
(2007.03.01)(11:20:43)Joshua与所有人说:we make code Lean when we remove duplication
(2007.03.01)(11:20:55)Joshua与所有人说:we make code lean, when we don't over-engineer
(2007.03.01)(11:21:04)Joshua与所有人说:over-engineer means to do TOO MUCH design
(2007.03.01)(11:21:09)Joshua与所有人说:too flexible
(2007.03.01)(11:21:12)Joshua与所有人说:to elegant
(2007.03.01)(11:21:26)Joshua与所有人说:we strive for just the right amount of design
(2007.03.01)(11:21:35)kkk enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:21:56)Joshua与所有人说:does that make sense?
(2007.03.01)(11:21:57)isaachan与所有人说:yes, thanks
(2007.03.01)(11:22:01)wzg与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(11:22:08)Joshua与所有人说:slide #22
(2007.03.01)(11:22:19)Joshua与所有人说:have any of you ever seen a class with too many constructors?
(2007.03.01)(11:22:36)isaachan与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(11:22:43)baberson与所有人说:no.
(2007.03.01)(11:22:45)Joshua与所有人说:do you see how the Loan class has many constructors?
(2007.03.01)(11:23:07)Joshua与所有人说:first of all
(2007.03.01)(11:23:15)Joshua与所有人说:is it clear what a Loan is?
(2007.03.01)(11:23:18)kkk enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:23:24)Joshua与所有人说:not all of us may know what a Loan is
(2007.03.01)(11:24:00)Joshua与所有人说:a Loan is when a back gives us money and we must pay it back over time
(2007.03.01)(11:24:20)Joshua与所有人说:The Loan you see on page 22
(2007.03.01)(11:24:20)wzg与所有人说:clear
(2007.03.01)(11:24:36)Joshua与所有人说:can represent different kinds of loans
(2007.03.01)(11:25:06)Joshua与所有人说:so it has many constructors for the different kinds of loans
(2007.03.01)(11:25:23)Joshua与所有人说:yet it isn't clear
(2007.03.01)(11:25:30)Joshua与所有人说:what those constructors do
(2007.03.01)(11:26:03)Joshua与所有人说:clarify our intention
(2007.03.01)(11:26:21)Joshua与所有人说:the Creation Method allows us to use an intention-revealing name
(2007.03.01)(11:26:22)angushine enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:26:33)Joshua与所有人说:instead of a constructor
(2007.03.01)(11:26:48)Joshua与所有人说:clear?
(2007.03.01)(11:26:55)mmsteam与所有人说:y
(2007.03.01)(11:27:06)angushine enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:27:10)lakedai与所有人说:y
(2007.03.01)(11:27:12)aaaaa与所有人说:n
(2007.03.01)(11:27:13)baberson与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(11:27:22)Joshua与所有人说:Ok, so when we refactor to a pattern
(2007.03.01)(11:27:29)Joshua与所有人说:like Creation Method or Template Method
(2007.03.01)(11:27:34)Joshua与所有人说:is it important to know
(2007.03.01)(11:27:44)Joshua与所有人说:that there are Many Ways To Implement The Pattern
(2007.03.01)(11:28:17)Joshua与所有人说:slide 18
(2007.03.01)(11:28:29)Joshua与所有人说:you will see a Factory Method example
(2007.03.01)(11:28:33)angushine enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:28:53)Joshua与所有人说:that diagram is a classic
(2007.03.01)(11:29:00)chin enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:29:01)Joshua与所有人说:structure for a Factory Method
(2007.03.01)(11:29:05)Joshua与所有人说:do you all know UML?
(2007.03.01)(11:29:22)lakedai与所有人说:yes
(2007.03.01)(11:29:31)baberson与所有人说:y
(2007.03.01)(11:29:59)Joshua与所有人说:the Creator and the Product are abstract
(2007.03.01)(11:30:07)Joshua与所有人说:because they are in Italics!
(2007.03.01)(11:30:32)Joshua与所有人说:slide 19
(2007.03.01)(11:30:43)Joshua与所有人说:you will see other ways to implement Factory Method
(2007.03.01)(11:31:35)Joshua与所有人说:is that clear?
(2007.03.01)(11:32:02)lakedai与所有人说:y
(2007.03.01)(11:32:18)K501 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:32:20)Joshua与所有人说:the same is true for Slide #20
(2007.03.01)(11:32:39)Joshua与所有人说:there are different ways to refactor to a Composite
(2007.03.01)(11:32:53)Joshua与所有人说:the way I show in my book
(2007.03.01)(11:32:56)Joshua与所有人说:is to produce a
(2007.03.01)(11:33:02)Joshua与所有人说:Leafless Composite
(2007.03.01)(11:33:03)出售嘛嘞佬 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:33:08)Joshua与所有人说:a Composite with no Leaf
(2007.03.01)(11:34:02)Joshua与所有人说:please go to slide #15
(2007.03.01)(11:35:12)Joshua与所有人说:Smells Are Important To Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(11:35:17)Joshua与所有人说:Code Smells
(2007.03.01)(11:35:20)Joshua与所有人说:it is a funny term
(2007.03.01)(11:35:34)Joshua与所有人说:to help us understand that it is important
(2007.03.01)(11:35:37)Joshua与所有人说:to knwo abotu Bad Designs
(2007.03.01)(11:35:55)Joshua与所有人说:A code smell is a design that duplicates, complicates, bloats or tightly couples code.
(2007.03.01)(11:36:29)Joshua与所有人说:have you heard of this before?
(2007.03.01)(11:36:29)baberson与所有人说:no.
(2007.03.01)(11:36:30)*苍林红宇 enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:37:30)*Jerryhjf与所有人说:y
(2007.03.01)(11:37:42)Joshua与所有人说:Refactoring, by Martin Fowler
(2007.03.01)(11:37:49)Joshua与所有人说:who has studied it?
(2007.03.01)(11:38:20)isaachan与所有人说:a little
(2007.03.01)(11:38:34)Joshua与所有人说:In that book, Fowler discusses Code Smells
(2007.03.01)(11:38:44)Joshua与所有人说:but it is only a small chapter
(2007.03.01)(11:39:11)Joshua与所有人说:I have written a whole new book on Code Smells
(2007.03.01)(11:39:16)Joshua与所有人说:in C#, C++ and Java
(2007.03.01)(11:39:36)Joshua与所有人说:it explains each smell and discusses how to clean it up by Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(11:40:06)Joshua与所有人说:so on slide 15-16
(2007.03.01)(11:40:11)Joshua与所有人说:I describe the Code Smell
(2007.03.01)(11:40:24)Joshua与所有人说:and what Pattern-Directed Refactorings help to clean it up
(2007.03.01)(11:40:57)Joshua与所有人说:If you find a Smell
(2007.03.01)(11:41:07)Joshua与所有人说:you may not know Refactoring to use
(2007.03.01)(11:41:10)Joshua与所有人说:to clean it up
(2007.03.01)(11:41:21)Joshua与所有人说:if you study my book or Fowler's book
(2007.03.01)(11:41:25)Joshua与所有人说:you can get an idea
(2007.03.01)(11:41:37)Joshua与所有人说:for what pattern to use
(2007.03.01)(11:41:42)Joshua与所有人说:just be careful
(2007.03.01)(11:41:48)Joshua与所有人说:not to use patterns too much
(2007.03.01)(11:42:00)Joshua与所有人说:especially once you learn a pattern
(2007.03.01)(11:42:12)Joshua与所有人说:you will be wanting to use it
(2007.03.01)(11:42:18)Joshua与所有人说:only use it where it makes sense
(2007.03.01)(11:42:51)Joshua与所有人说:on slide 30
(2007.03.01)(11:42:55)zhanglu enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:43:00)Joshua与所有人说:you will find more places to learn about Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(11:43:08)Joshua与所有人说:do any of you code in C++?
(2007.03.01)(11:43:24)诗人笑与所有人说:y
(2007.03.01)(11:43:28)isaachan与所有人说:no
(2007.03.01)(11:43:40)baberson与所有人说:me
(2007.03.01)(11:44:00)Joshua与所有人说:if you code in C++, and you use VisualStudio, then look at Ref++
(2007.03.01)(11:44:11)Joshua与所有人说:Ref++ is a tool for refactoring in C++
(2007.03.01)(11:44:17)Joshua与所有人说:but it only works in Visual Studio
(2007.03.01)(11:44:34)tangyeyang与所有人说:what about java
(2007.03.01)(11:44:36)Joshua与所有人说:Now I'd like to hear more questions
(2007.03.01)(11:44:41)Joshua与所有人说:for Java, use Eclipse
(2007.03.01)(11:44:48)Joshua与所有人说:is has the best Refactoring tools anywhere
(2007.03.01)(11:44:54)tangyeyang与所有人说:what about netbeans?
(2007.03.01)(11:44:57)baberson与所有人说:does ref++ work in visualstudio 6.0?
(2007.03.01)(11:44:58)Joshua与所有人说:IntelliJ is also good for refactoring Java
(2007.03.01)(11:45:18)Joshua与所有人说:Ref++ works in Visual Studio 2003 and VS2005
(2007.03.01)(11:45:26)baberson与所有人说:thanks.
(2007.03.01)(11:45:42)Joshua与所有人说:Questions for me?
(2007.03.01)(11:46:09)flyingchen与所有人说:thanks a lot Joshua
(2007.03.01)(11:46:16)mmsteam与所有人说:thanks joshua..
(2007.03.01)(11:46:17)Joshua与所有人说:my pleasure
(2007.03.01)(11:46:27)abin819与lakedai说:thanks
(2007.03.01)(11:46:33)诗人笑与所有人说:thanks
(2007.03.01)(11:46:34)isaachan与所有人说:thanks
(2007.03.01)(11:46:35)tangyeyang与所有人说:thanks
(2007.03.01)(11:46:46)Joshua与所有人说:I hope you learned something
(2007.03.01)(11:46:54)Joshua与所有人说:you can learn about my new book
(2007.03.01)(11:46:58)Joshua与所有人说:in a few months
(2007.03.01)(11:47:04)Joshua与所有人说:if you go to IndustrialLogic.com
(2007.03.01)(11:47:14)baberson与所有人说:what's the name of your new book?
(2007.03.01)(11:47:24)Joshua与所有人说:the name isn't decided yet
(2007.03.01)(11:47:27)Joshua与所有人说:but it should be
(2007.03.01)(11:47:31)Joshua与所有人说:something like
(2007.03.01)(11:47:39)Joshua与所有人说:Code Smells and Refactoring Interactive
(2007.03.01)(11:47:47)Joshua与所有人说:or just
(2007.03.01)(11:47:53)Joshua与所有人说:Code Smells and Refactoring
(2007.03.01)(11:47:57)baberson与所有人说:I expect for that.
(2007.03.01)(11:48:11)Joshua与所有人说:it will be an online book
(2007.03.01)(11:48:15)Joshua与所有人说:not in paper
(2007.03.01)(11:48:28)isaachan与所有人说:cool
(2007.03.01)(11:48:32)Joshua与所有人说:Industrial Logic, my company, will now write all books on the web
(2007.03.01)(11:48:48)Joshua与所有人说:because we can do much more on the web than in a book
(2007.03.01)(11:48:57)Joshua与所有人说:especially with Web 2.0
(2007.03.01)(11:49:26)Joshua与所有人说:thank you
(2007.03.01)(11:49:30)huanbin enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:49:32)*umlchina_seminar与Joshua说:Thank you
(2007.03.01)(11:49:33)*flyang2001与所有人说:thank you
(2007.03.01)(11:49:37)诗人笑与所有人说:thank you
(2007.03.01)(11:49:39)baberson与所有人说:thanks, and welcome to china!
(2007.03.01)(11:49:39)fxg007与所有人说:thank you
(2007.03.01)(11:49:41)Joshua与所有人说:Best of luck with your Refactoring!
(2007.03.01)(11:49:41)flyingchen与所有人说:thanks!
(2007.03.01)(11:49:43)fxg007与所有人说:谢谢
(2007.03.01)(11:49:43)arwin与所有人说:Thank you
(2007.03.01)(11:49:48)Joshua与所有人说:thanks everyone
(2007.03.01)(11:49:57)诗人笑与Joshua说:thanks
(2007.03.01)(11:50:45)flyingchen与Joshua说:can i konw your mail ?
(2007.03.01)(11:50:50)huanbin enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:51:02)*umlchina_seminar与Joshua说:讲座结束，谢谢大家
(2007.03.01)(11:51:03)baberson与所有人说:也要感谢umlchina组织这样的活动让大家学习.
(2007.03.01)(11:51:31)fxg007与所有人说:看来我得好好学习英语了．．．．．．．
(2007.03.01)(11:51:36)*umlchina_seminar与所有人说:如果有希望关心的主题，我们会想办法安排
(2007.03.01)(11:52:22)rlhname enter this room.
(2007.03.01)(11:54:03)huanbin与所有人说:有事，刚来，结果一来就说结束了…………
(2007.03.01)(12:04:34)rlhname与所有人说:me too