时间
2004年8月24日（周二）上午10:00-12:00
演讲人
Jim Highsmith，敏捷联盟的发起人和第一任理事，《敏捷宣言》的执笔人之一，Cutter Consortium的敏捷项目管理咨询主管。他的书《自适应软件开发》2000年获得Jolt奖。
主持人
钱岭
声音记录
网盘下载(71M)：http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=72993&uk=1795750932
UMLChina早期的很多专家讲座是通过越洋电话举行，所以音质和后来的讲座相比稍差。
幻灯片
Agile Project Management: Reliable Innovation，下载：http://umlchina.com/chat/slide/AgilePM_China.ppt
聊天记录
(09:54:34)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:good morning to all.
(09:54:51)yuzhenli与所有人说:Nice to meet you
(09:55:30)J与所有人说:听力不好，有没有高手实时作文字发布亚
(09:56:15)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:钱五哥负责中文文字发布
(09:56:18)wwangzhihang与*JimHighsmith说:good morning
(09:56:35)*goblin_vivi与所有人说:钱五哥是谁？
(09:56:56)richardyan与所有人说:JimHighsmith
(09:59:06)*qlw5与所有人说:hi, Sorry for so late, I am qlw
(09:59:38)richardyan与*qlw5说:You are on time
(09:59:40)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:qlw5：钱五哥
(10:00:03)*xionganping啪啪啪啪啪啪啪……
(10:00:20)*qlw5与所有人说:Good morning, Jim, so long without contact with you.
(10:00:34)jjcao1231与所有人说:yes
(10:00:44)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:ok
(10:01:22)wwangzhihang与所有人说:有声音吗？
(10:01:29)*xionganping与所有人说:有！
(10:01:29)*umlchina2与所有人说:Is the voice OK?
(10:01:37)aaa与所有人说:OK
(10:01:48)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:有。如果声音有问题，重新安装：择手工安装碧聊插件，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe
(10:02:06)jjcao1231与所有人说:还可以
(10:02:16)wwangzhihang与*umlchina2说:ok了
(10:02:28)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:where can I find the power point
(10:02:47)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm
(10:03:24)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:资料下载地址
(10:05:41)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:如果声音有问题，重新安装：择手工安装碧聊插件，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe
(10:07:01)*umlchina2与所有人说:如果还没有听到声音，请按右下角的“打开语音”
(10:07:39)*qlw5与所有人说:讲义在这里: http://webseminar3.unix160.cn4e.com/webseminar/AgilePM_China.ppt
(10:08:12)*xiangmeihong与所有人说:现在有声音吗？我听不到
(10:09:00)*qlw5与所有人说:我可以听到声音, 注意不要设置浏览器的代理, 这个语音插件无法通过代理服务器
(10:09:20)*goblin_vivi与*xiangmeihong说:有声音的
(10:09:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:如果声音有问题，重新安装：http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe
(10:09:45)*xiangmeihong与所有人说:我在打开语音的时候有一些声音，马上就没有了
(10:10:09)*umlchina2与*xiangmeihong说:重新安装试试看
(10:12:11)*flybean与所有人说:which page?
(10:12:38)*umlchina2与*flybean说:p4
(10:13:01)[*umlchina_seminar]与*qlw5说:五哥随时把要点用中文写一下 )
(10:13:40)*qlw5与所有人说:P4: APM的基本特性
(10:13:44)*flybean与[*umlchina_seminar]说:sorry,later,leaders here :O(
(10:14:15)*qlw5与所有人说:强调的是基于Vision,而不是基于计划的开发模式
(10:14:43)*qlw5与所有人说:P5: 如何形成vision
(10:16:12)*qlw5与所有人说:通过协作, 所有项目成员对项目的目标, 产品的边界, 发布计划都有统一的认识
(10:17:17)*qlw5与ASD说:呵呵, 你好你好
(10:18:45)*qlw5与所有人说:P9: 问题领域不同, 过程也不相同
(10:19:52)*qlw5与所有人说:P10: EF的定义
(10:20:49)*qlw5与所有人说:项目越新,越变化, EF值越大
(10:22:45)*qlw5与所有人说:P12: 僵化的计划, 拒绝变更, 便会带来灾难
(10:23:18)*qlw5与所有人说:P13: 项目控制的几个境界
(10:23:46)*qlw5与所有人说:注意, APM并不是以前的chaos
(10:24:43)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:大家好
(10:25:42)*umlchina2与所有人说:如果有人骚扰讲座，请告诉管理员，谢谢。
(10:26:01)*qlw5与所有人说:P14: 敏捷性定义
(10:26:13)*qlw5与所有人说:P15: 敏捷性宣言
(10:28:40)*qlw5与所有人说:文档不是项目的目标, 产品才是
(10:29:06)*qlw5与所有人说:和客户的协作是关键
(10:29:29)*qlw5与所有人说:P16,P17: APM框架
(10:31:07)*qlw5与所有人说:speculate: 制订灵活的计划
(10:31:33)*qlw5与所有人说:和灵活的目标
(10:32:28)vivian与所有人说:??
(10:32:35)*qlw5与所有人说:Explore: 可以看作是开发
(10:32:53)*qlw5与所有人说:Adapt: 变更
(10:33:17)*qlw5与所有人说:speculate, explore, adapt: 迭代的开发流程
(10:33:23)*umlchina2与所有人说:JimHighsmith：本次讲座专家
(10:34:01)*umlchina2与所有人说:资料下载地址 http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm
(10:35:10)*qlw5与所有人说:P18: APM框架的具体定义
(10:36:06)*qlw5与所有人说:实践和目标的提法是定义这类框架的通用做法
(10:36:36)*qlw5与所有人说:P19: Envision
(10:37:25)*qlw5与所有人说:P20: Product envision
(10:37:57)*qlw5与所有人说:描述产品最终的样子
(10:38:20)lanbaibai与所有人说:jjj
(10:38:25)*qlw5与所有人说:包括客户期望的各种功能需求
(10:39:09)*qlw5与所有人说:例子是: video studio pro
(10:40:11)*qlw5与所有人说:描述自己产品和现有产品的区别也是目标之一
(10:40:57)*qlw5与所有人说:P21: Envision的第二个阶段
(10:41:09)*qlw5与所有人说:项目的scope
(10:42:04)*qlw5与所有人说:P22: 项目数据页的实例
(10:42:20)*qlw5与所有人说:可以看作是计划书
(10:43:08)*qlw5与所有人说:但是这不是详细的计划, 而是对项目的大体安排,特别是scope
(10:43:38)jjcao1231与所有人说:看不到，22页没内容
(10:44:10)*qlw5与所有人说:P22:是一张大图
(10:45:15)*lijinie与所有人说:how to view p22
(10:46:33)*qlw5与所有人说:P23: 项目的协作关系
(10:48:49)*qlw5与所有人说:其中强调的是从客户到开发团队的信息
(10:49:10)jjcao1231与所有人说:we can not find anything in P22.
(10:50:10)*qlw5与所有人说:P24: speculate
(10:50:36)*qlw5与所有人说:P25: 开发模型的比较: 瀑布模型和迭代模型
(10:51:02)*qlw5与所有人说:基于feature的迭代开发
(10:51:22)*eagle_yj与vivian说:hi
(10:51:48)*qlw5与所有人说:注意 迭代0与其他迭代的区别
(10:51:51)*eagle_yj与vivian说:no
(10:52:04)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:刚才掉线了 )
(10:52:09)*qlw5与所有人说:P26: Feature Card
(10:52:32)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说: )
(10:53:01)*qlw5与所有人说:P27
(10:53:34)*qlw5与所有人说:一个小项目的workshop, 每个卡片就描述了一个feature
(10:53:39)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:列表上面一块是什么人？)
(10:54:13)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:列表上面一块？)
(10:54:39)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:人员在线，好像分两块人？)
(10:54:54)*qlw5与所有人说:红色卡片应该丝描述了第几次迭代
(10:54:54)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:没有啊 )
(10:55:05)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:管理员＋普通用户？)
(10:55:34)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:带*号的都在上面，我也带*号，我怎么在下面？)
(10:55:39)*qlw5与所有人说:红色卡片下的Feature Card描述了本次迭代需要完成的feature
(10:56:59)*qlw5与所有人说:P29: 团队技术实践
(10:57:20)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:，只是好奇，问问？)
(10:58:31)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:应该是系统自动，没有人工排序。可能你登录时间或者首字母x？)
(11:00:06)*qlw5与所有人说:P30: 两种管理理念
(11:00:39)*qlw5与所有人说:P31: 管理风格
(11:02:46)*qlw5与所有人说:命令-控制型 和 领导-协作型管理风格
(11:03:48)*qlw5与所有人说:P32: 规则
(11:04:51)*qlw5与所有人说:简单的规则产生复杂的行为, 这是复杂自适应系统的特征之一
(11:05:06)*qlw5与所有人说:P33: 领导-协作型协作
(11:06:36)*qlw5与所有人说:声音质量好像不十分好?
(11:07:00)michael与所有人说:还行
(11:07:18)michael与所有人说:就是有点断续
(11:07:47)*qlw5与所有人说:P35: 自组织, 复杂自适应系统的另外一个特征
(11:08:17)*qlw5与所有人说:关键在于人.
(11:16:04)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:hehe, sorry for absence just now
(11:16:51)yuzhenli与所有人说:The course is very well
(11:19:24)[*umlchina_seminar]与*qlw5说:
(11:19:52)jjcao1231与所有人说:how can we get the image on P22. I'm very interesting.
(11:20:20)[*umlchina_seminar]与jjcao1231说:22页就是一张表格，你那里显示不出来？
(11:21:10)*umlchina2与所有人说:questions please
(11:21:22)*qlw5与所有人说:讲座完了, 大家可以提问
(11:22:16)jjcao1231与所有人说:can not see it, neither
(11:22:25)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:呵呵
(11:22:57)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:现在好像Jim还在说啊
(11:23:26)*eagle_yj与所有人说:i like the princeples of APM, but how can we measure the goodness of process of APM?
(11:23:26)*umlchina2与*qlw5说:回答一个报名表里的问题
(11:23:46)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:OK
(11:28:41)jjcao1231与所有人说:Is there any software(tool) supporting process of APM ?
(11:29:46)*eagle_yj与所有人说:thanks to Jim highsmith for your presentation
(11:29:59)jjcao1231与所有人说:thanks
(11:30:09)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:your wekcome!
(11:30:21)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:Dear Professor, thank you for your nice presentation at first,
(11:30:26)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Jim, how do you think about the open source in APM?
(11:31:55)ASD与所有人说:how do you compare your ASD book and APM book?
(11:32:01)ASD与所有人说:thanks
(11:32:23)[*umlchina_seminar]与*JimHighsmith说:how do you think about Rally Software Development（http://www.rallydevelopment.com） Rally Release 1
(11:32:30)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:In large companies, like Lucent, we use product-line process, which is a very complex process, we
(11:32:58)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:follow ISO9000 and CMM, do you think APM can help us? in what kind of aspect?
(11:36:24)jjcao1231与所有人说:Can we stride over unified process? We are small company, but our manager like RUP2000.
(11:36:46)jjcao1231与所有人说:He believe XP is not suitable to Chinese. HOw do you think?
(11:38:41)jjcao1231与所有人说:the network is too bad
(11:38:55)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:And My question is, in Agile method, developers are very important,
(11:39:26)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:then how do you think some kinds of methods/tools which are trying to put the developers
(11:39:38)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:developers to the less important side, such as MDA, and IBM's eclipse these days?
(11:41:04)aaa与所有人说:在APM，对软件开发公司的领导有什么要求，是专业型还是管理型。
(11:43:18)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:明天这个时候还有讲座，欢迎大家再来啊
(11:43:35)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:thank you for your answer:)
(11:43:48)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:From aaa, in APM
(11:44:54)*qlw5与所有人说:From aaa, in APM, what is the requirement for the leaders? should he be a technical expert or has
(11:45:00)*qlw5与所有人说:management background?
(11:45:26)ASD与所有人说:a very casual question:how do you balance your work and life?
(11:45:29)ASD与所有人说:any suggestions to Chinese developers;)
(11:45:45)ASD与所有人说:you know,China and USA is very different.
(11:46:39)*qlw5与所有人说:Jim, there are still many agile methods in the Industry, do you think finally there will only be
(11:46:48)*qlw5与所有人说:one standard "agile method"
(11:47:20)ASD与所有人说:a friend of mine is thinking about departing her husband.hehe.because of his hardwork.
(11:48:10)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:balancing home and work is very important.
(11:48:23)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:balancing home and work is very important.
(11:48:53)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:I'm a little older, 58 years, so I've had to learn that balance over time.
(11:49:06)yuzhenli与所有人说:Like European, Enjoying life is most important.
(11:49:22)ASD与所有人说:sorry for such a casual question.:(
(11:49:33)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Yes, I love to hike, ski, mountain bike.
(11:49:52)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:No, it's a very important question.
(11:50:10)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:agile development stresses sustainable development.
(11:50:31)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:not working so many hours that everything else suffers.
(11:51:09)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Thank you all for your participation. I have enjoyed the session.
(11:51:26)*qlw5与所有人说:The more hours you work, the less effcience you get, I think
(11:51:26)yuzhenli与所有人说:How to orgnize the team is an art.
(11:51:26)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Maybe one day I will come to China in person!
(11:51:30)ASD与所有人说:thanks.
(11:51:39)ASD与所有人说:really?
(11:51:41)ASD与所有人说:welcomed!
(11:51:53)*qlw5与所有人说:Jim, welcome to China
(11:51:55)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:yes, the art of project management.
(11:52:08)yuzhenli与所有人说:Welcome
(11:53:02)yuzhenli与所有人说:Could you give me your email, JimHighsmith?
(11:53:44)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:[email protected]
(11:54:05)yuzhenli与所有人说:Thanks,you are welcome.
(11:55:04)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:Do you watch the olympic matches these days?
(11:55:19)ASD与所有人说:yes
(11:56:10)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:what sports do you like best? :)
(11:56:48)ASD与所有人说:mountain hike is very popular in US.
(11:57:24)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:that's very nice!
(11:58:12)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:And thank you very much for these two hours
(11:58:41)[*umlchina_seminar]与*JimHighsmith说:Thank you for the excellent presentation
(11:58:47)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Thanks and I will close now.
(11:59:00)edge与所有人说:thanks
(11:59:06)*qlw5与所有人说:Thanks
(11:59:13)[*umlchina_seminar]与*JimHighsmith说:谢谢专家
(11:59:54)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:（明天这时还有讲座，大家记得来啊）
(12:00:01)陈先雄与所有人说:好
(12:00:01)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:Good night and take care,thank you again